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« on: March 27, 2010, 04:59:38 am »

I am using a U7198 handheld for my 2002 corvette and have made my cruise data log run.  I can view the results on the handhold unit and in the data viewer.  I exported the file via file > export to a .csv file but when I attempt to analyze the data I get the Unhandled exception has occurred in your application.  If you click.........  Access to the path ....is denied.  Any assistance you can provide will be greatly appreciated.


Second question is:  with a 2002 corvette vararam CAI and Corsa pace exhaust, and the following numbers from my cruise data run.  Seems the LTFT's are off by a large amount and would have to -13-14 to bring them down between 0,-2.  Again any assistance wold be appreciated.

2260 RPM's
18.43% absolute throttle position
IAT 41 F
15.62 LTFT bank 1
13.28 LTFT bank 2
0.00 spark knock
39.50 spark advance
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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2010, 07:09:59 am »

I can't answer your first question but maybe I can provide some insight to your second based on what I've learned and experienced.  I'm fairly new to this tuning game so keep that in mind and maybe someone could correct me where I'm off-base.  I'm an old school carburator based engine mechanic.  You used to do all this stuff with a screw driver, a few instruments, and a good ear.

Most common answer I hear for those high LTFT readings is "Air Leaks".  I would argue that this is only one of other possibilities.  High LTFT results from the PCM thinking your air/fuel ratios are too lean: too much air or not enough fuel.  The PCM relies on a number of sensor inputs in a "closed loop" system to make this decision.  Therefore, if the PCM is getting bad data from those sensors, it's not going to make the correct adjustments to the trims.  Additionally, any problem with the fuel delivery system or the ignition process could contribute to these PCM adjustments if all the sensors are working correctly.

Too much air is one possibility.  Adding the CAI will certainly allow more air to enter the system.  The MAF sensor tells the PCM how much air is entering.  My LTFTs were pegged at +25 when I ran my first log.  I tightened everything I read about and they were still high.  Cleaned the MAF and they came down to about +20.  Even though the sensor checked within limits, I replaced my MAF (stock) anyway and they dropped to about +11.

The system also uses the MAP sensor to monitor the manifold pressure.  A bad sensor will give the PCM bad data.  Vaacum leaks in the system would cause the sensor to tell the PCM that the MAF is lying and additional air is getting in so it adds more fuel to compensate.  I plugged a vaacum gauge into my manifold and everything checked okay but I re-torqued the intake manifold anyway.  I checked all other areas by spraying starter fluid in every possible area that leaks could occur.  I didn't notice any increase in idle speed when I did this so that looked good.  I've got new intake gaskets so I may replace them soon just for good measure.

The IAT sensor and TP sensor are also involved in this closed loop system.  IAT tells the PCM how dense the air is.  I might get this backwards but here I go:  higher intake air temps will make the PCM think "less dense" so I need less fuel.  When the engine is cold, the IAT should be close to the ambient air temp.  After warm-up, the IAT will be higher than ambient temp.  I have a temp guage in my rear view mirror and using the Predator was able to check this reading.  The TPS tells the PCM whether it is at idle, part throttle, or WOT and the PCM adjusts accordingly.  A bad TPS will fool the PCM as well.

Your O2 sensors (sensor 1 on both banks) tell the PCM how efficient the combustion was and whether or not the air/fuel ratios are where they need to be.  Too much O2 after ignition is complete = not enough fuel so the PCM wants to add more.  Air leaks near this sensor would lead the sensor to believe the combustion was inefficient and send bad information about the efficiency of the ignition.  In the end, the O2 sensor has the final say with things.  If they're bad, then they're lying to the PCM about the true situation.  Mine were all brand new when I started so that wasn't a concern but I did tighten them up.  I had also replaced my exhaust so I had new exhaust gaskets but I checked they were installed correctly and retightend the exhaust at the manifold.

Besides bad sensors or air leaks, a problem in the fuel delivery system could potentially lead to incorrect PCM adjustments.  The fuel pump, fuel pressure relief valve, injectors, and fuel leaks are other possibilities.  Low fuel pressure can cause inadequate fuel delivery.  I checked the pressure and relief valve and they checked out to be within limits and functioned properly.  If injectors are plugged or not functioning properly, they won't be delivering the right amount that's commanded by the PCM leading to the O2 sensor telling it to add more fuel.  I checked the injector balance and that also checked out within limits. 

Looking at your LTFTs for both banks, you might have something going on with bank 1.  This one is significantly higher than the other.  I'd say air leaks, injectors, or bank 1/sensor 1 on that side need a look.  Also, the difference could be incomplete combustion on bank 2 leading to a lower LTFT on that side so check the spark plugs, coils, and wires there.  My bank 2 tends to be slightly higher than the other (+.78 to +1.56) so I think that's close enough to get my LTFTs dialed in at -2 to 0 with the Predator.  In your case, there's too much of a difference to get dialed into this range.

I have yet to do any adjustments other than shift related adjustments until I get my problems resolved.  It looks like the MAF, even though it checked out, was my problem.  Or, at least one of them if there's others.  I'm still looking and putting on the miles to let things settle in before running another log.  I'm lucky to have all the toys to do this work myself.  If you don't have a scanner with bi-directional controls to check the systems I've discussed, you'll need a mechanic to check things out.  Doing all this gives me a reason to hang out in the shop.  My wife thinks differently.  Grin

Thanks for reading  Sleep and I hope this helps.  Anyone out there that wants to shoot holes in all these theories, have at it.  I look forward to being set straight.   Cheers

Bob
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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2010, 07:39:41 am »

Bob

Thanks for the info.  I will check for any leaks and as the vararam uses an oiled filter it could have fouled the MAF sensor.  I will add that the vararam does introduce a LOT of air, much more than even other CAI's for the C5's but the numbers just look too high with the spark advance Im running with no knocking or timing reduction.  Car runs extremely well but I would like to confirm with corresponding numbers.
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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2010, 08:32:38 am »

Yeah, clean that MAF.  I saw a significant gain by doing mine.  I still didn't like the +20 similar to the way you're feeling about +15 and +13.  I felt I still had issues to diagnose.

You don't have an aftermarket MAF or a descreened stock MAF by chance?  Everywhere I've read on this subject says KEEP IT STOCK.

I couldn't tell you if your LTFTs are where they should be with the CAI or not.  Every engine is different, depends on the mods, and I haven't found anything anywhere yet that gives an upper or lower limit range to be in.  All I know for sure is that -25 or +25 is maxxed out with the PCM and that's not good.  I suppose the -2 to 0 range you read in the tuning instructions is where it ought to be but you gotta tell the PCM to do it by applying an adjustment factor to it's lookup tables.  Your's may be okay where they are at right now for the CAI mod but the difference between the two banks suggests to me you may have something that needs to be fixed on either side.

Good Luck

Bob
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2010, 08:39:17 am »

Bob thanks again for the information.  Stock MAF with the screen still installed.  Didn't see any loose fittings and no vacuum leaks.  I did fix the first part of my problem by configuring the program to run on windows 7. ....Duh....When all else fails read the directions!  Reran the program and lo and behold it says adjust the slope down by 15% which is what I figured it would say.  I will wait though for the experts to verify that this is ok, as it seem like a lot of adjustment.  Mean while I will clean the MAF just to make sure. 
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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2010, 12:29:09 pm »

if you're getting an "access is denied" error, then it's a permissions issue on your pc user account...

have to make sure you are running it from an administrator account, with full admin rights/access priviledges...

check these posts for info/possible solutions:

http://forum.dslogredux.com/index.php?topic=17.0

http://forum.dslogredux.com/index.php?topic=13.0


also, as was mentioned above, check and make sure everything is TIGHT from the air filter to the throttle body so that there are no air leaks anywhere, and the same for any exhaust work, from the headers back to the mufflers... make sure there are no leaks anywhere...

the difference between the two banks is ok...  I've never seen both banks be the same yet in the 100's of vehicles I've tuned...

clean the MAF as you stated... then put on about 20 miles and do a new log and see where the ltft's are at...

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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2010, 12:51:24 pm »

I got the program working by configuring it to run with windows 7.  Checked all the intake connections.  Stock exhaust manifolds, just axle backs.  I will clean the MAF and make another run.  Does this indicate that the car is running rich? or lean? 
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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2010, 12:56:54 pm »

I got the program working by configuring it to run with windows 7.  Checked all the intake connections.  Stock exhaust manifolds, just axle backs.  I will clean the MAF and make another run.  Does this indicate that the car is running rich? or lean? 

if your trims are positive, it means you are running lean and the pcm is adding that additional amount of fuel in order to get the stoich AFR value back at 14.7....

running lean is typical of a CAI setup...  usually not that much, but every vehicle is different...  altitude and outside temps play a roll in that as well.....

so, after the MAF cleaning, put on some miles, then do a new log...   and then make the recommended adjustment, you're ok....

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2010, 01:55:24 pm »

Thanks for the feedback.  The Vararam does flow a lot more as it is ram air CAI.  Im sure you are aware.  Cleaned the MAF and double checked the connections.  I'll take the vette out for a spin later on and then take a datalog.  Thanks also for the quick response.  I have sent a donation to you site.  You guys do real good work.
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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2010, 02:06:07 pm »

thank you!!

it's much appreciated!!!

 Grin
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