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« on: June 20, 2010, 06:02:43 am »

Lew and Grumpy:

You guys have created an outstanding program.  I use it often even though I have an older Predator (U7198 ver. 2.12) that doesn't save logs.  I'm using Palmer's ScanXL Pro (GM enhanced) with an OBDLink interface to record my logs and export them to .csv and this program accepts them.  It takes a few modifications to the exported file but it does work.  If anyone was interested in a how-to for this, I could write this up sometime.  I haven't tried using the predator as the interface yet because I'm not sure if it will work or not.  An upgrade for the predator may be in order since I can't log AFR with ScanXL.  That PID doesn't seem to be supported by my PCM.  Do either of you know if I upgrade the U7198 predator, will it read AFR?  That seems to be my only issue to resolve before I can work on the WOT and PE adjustments using DSLogRedux.

I'm deploying overseas today, but, when I get back, I'll be needing to get that donation to the cause I've been neglecting to do.  This will be my last deployment before I retire after 32 years of service.  Cheers  Drink

Are there any planned enhancements in the future?  I wouldn't know how you could improve this product. 
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« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2010, 06:57:41 am »

Lew and Grumpy:

You guys have created an outstanding program.  I use it often even though I have an older Predator (U7198 ver. 2.12) that doesn't save logs.  I'm using Palmer's ScanXL Pro (GM enhanced) with an OBDLink interface to record my logs and export them to .csv and this program accepts them.  It takes a few modifications to the exported file but it does work.  If anyone was interested in a how-to for this, I could write this up sometime.  I haven't tried using the predator as the interface yet because I'm not sure if it will work or not.  An upgrade for the predator may be in order since I can't log AFR with ScanXL.  That PID doesn't seem to be supported by my PCM.  Do either of you know if I upgrade the U7198 predator, will it read AFR?  That seems to be my only issue to resolve before I can work on the WOT and PE adjustments using DSLogRedux.

I'm deploying overseas today, but, when I get back, I'll be needing to get that donation to the cause I've been neglecting to do.  This will be my last deployment before I retire after 32 years of service.  Cheers  Drink

Are there any planned enhancements in the future?  I wouldn't know how you could improve this product. 

Thanks for the good words man, we really appreciate it!!!

no, the 7198 predator on that old 2.xx revision can not be used as a passthrough device for any type of logging... you would have to send it in to diablosport for the $99 upgrade...  then you'd be able to log with it, and use it as a passthrough device for logging with diablosport's DataViewer software logging program...

and even after the upgrade, you will not have the AFR parameter available in the predator itself for logging... BUT, if you used the predator as a pass-through device and used the DataViewer program to log, you would have the AFR parameter available in that to log.


and thank you for your service!!!  stay safe man!!!

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« Reply #2 on: July 23, 2010, 08:53:11 pm »

I'm back.  Germany isn't a very tough deployment.  The beer is a lot better than what you can get here in the states.  And, the Autobahn would be a great place to log WOT runs without having to worry about cops.  Cheers  Drink  Drive 

Sober of course.

It's time to get ready for my WOT logging, but, I've got to get this AFR issue resolved.  As far as I can tell, my PCM doesn't provide data for an AFR PID.  So, how does the DataViewer program get that data from the Predator?  Even if I upgrade the tuner, and my PCM doesn't provide this parameter, where does it get it?  If there's an internal calculation from other data output from the PCM, I can write my own script in ScanXL to provide this parameter.  I would just need to know which PCM supported PIDs to use and the formula.  Maybe these questions are best answered on the DS Forum.

Palmer recently posted an upgrade to ScanXL.  In this upgrade they have included a number of CALC PIDs.  One of which is an AFR calculation.  I haven't tried to log with it since it was announced but this may be promising.  I'd save $99 if it works.  I'm cheap sometimes.  I'm not exactly sure why I'm avoiding the upgrade.  Seems I'd lose something I might want to keep handy for my own edification like the ability to adjust transmission settings or disable emmission codes should I ever need to.

For what it's worth, I use a ScanGauge II to monitor my LTFT on both banks.  As I cruise down the highway, I can easily see how well I'm dialed-in to the 0 to -2 range.  I highly recommend adding this device, or something similar, to anyone's dash.  It's much safer than monitoring the Predator while you drive.  And, it provides feedback to your driving habits to help you improve your gas mileage.

The temperatures here have risen enough to say "I'm dialed-in".  I haven't had to adjust the LTFT since before I was deployed so I'm ready for the PE and KR adjustments from the WOT log I need to complete.  After that, I'll be ready for that custom tune by Lew.  Being an old school carb mechanic, this new electronic tuning sparks my interest.  I'm interested in learning more.

I'm a subscriber to other GM truck forums and their subscribers tend to bash Diablosport and the Predator.  I'm not convinced that, with CMR tuning available for the Predator, you can't get the same thing as you would with an EFILive or an HP Tuner tune cheaper than with the Predator.  As a matter of fact, I believe you get more with owning a Predator.  With Blackbear for instance, you have to wait for them to ship you an interface to log data.  You pay a deposit for an interface device, they send it through the mail (4-5 days of waiting), you log your data according to their instructions (sounds familiar), send your log to a tuner via email (sounds familiar), get your tune from the tuner via email (sounds familiar), upload your tune to the interface device (sounds familiar), then load the tune to your vehicle (sounds familiar), pay $200, and you send the interface back to get you initial deposit back.  But, you're not done.  How do you put the original stock tune back if you need to take the vehicle to the dealer for service?  Oh yeah, you got to have a second PCM in you hip pocket so your warranty isn't void.  Or, if you don't have that handy, you need that inteface back to download that custom tune and replace the stock tune.  What's a spare PCM cost?

WTF, you own an inteface device (the Predator) and you can make your own adjustments on the fly when you need to make them and replace the custom tune with the stock tune for that warranty work.  With Blackbear, you need that inteface device back to do anything when you want to adjust something or have that spare PCM ready.  For about $450 dollars you get a tuning device from Diablosport and a custom tune from a CMR tuner.  Let's see; for $200 you get a tune plus time spent gathering and sending stuff here to there, plus the cost of a spare PCM (up to about $400 now), waiting for the mail to arrive, boxing it back up to send in the mail, and on and on and on.  All of this would be a big hassle to me.  I have better things to do with my time.  To get the same thing with EFILive as you would have with a Predator, you would spend about $750 for the software and interface.  And, you would have to tune it yourself taking the risk of messing up your vehicle.  My math says the Predator is a better deal.  The jury is out with me whether the Trinity or the InTune tuners will be cheaper.

Forgive me, I talk to much.  Thanks for reading.   Sleep

Thanks again to Frank and Lew for DSLogRedux and this Forum.  BananaDance

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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2010, 02:29:18 pm »

Welcome back man!!!

if your particular pcm doesn't report the AFR parameter at all, then no, you won't be able to select it with the dataviewer either....

you are correct about the CMR tuning vs hptuners and efi live...  you can achieve the same thing.. I am a CMR custom tuner for diablo products, and do custom tunes for people all the time and get them nice increases/gains over the canned preset tunes...  a lot more giddy-up... hehe....

yeah, there are a lot of "haters" on those forums for whatever reason... they all think there choice is the only choice, heh... but, that's why we can all have and form our own opinions...  ;-)

and yeah, having to ship out pcms back and forth is a PITA...  definitely not an option for someone that has that only vehicle for their mode of transportation...  I couldn't be without my car for a day, nevermind a week or two having to ship out the ecm...

again, thanks for the good words man, we appreciate it!!  ...and welcome home!!!

-Lew

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